I believe that Jesus had a choice on whether He would go on the cross. He certainly did not want to go on the cross that is evident through verses like Hebrews 5:7-8: "During the days of Jesus' life on earth He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and He was heard because if his reverent submission. Although He was a son, He learned obedience from what He suffered." These verses show that Jesus did not wish to face the cross, however God had different plans. Jesus could have avoided the cross, but He needed to submit to the Father. Christ surrendered the cross the the Father it says in Philippians 2:8 "And being found in appearances as a man, He humbled himself and became obedient to death- even death on a cross!" Christ knew in His heart that He must face the cross. Upon entering Jerusalem, Jesus had already known that He would die as it says in Mark 8:31. For the fulfillment of prophecies, and to save the world from sin. I believe He had a choice, however, if He chose not to He would break the prophecies which would contradict his very life. Jesus submitted to the Father for the sake of the world, not because He had to.
I agree with the fact that Jesus had a choice. But I don't think that It would break any prophecies. Considering God is outside of time, the prophecies were created while the actual events happened. So the prophecies would have always been that Jesus bailed on the cross. Of course Jesus didn't and never would abandon his people. He battled with his Human fear in Gethsemane. (Matthew 26:36-56) But when it came down to it Jesus knew that he would face the cross. "nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will....My Father, if this cannot pass unless I drink it, your will be done." He knew the church would never grow and humanity could not be saved if he rejected his duty. So he chose to take on the cross.
Jamey I think there is good merit about what you said, but at the same time the prophecies were stated in the old testament for a good purpose. God knew that the world needed to be saved so the prophecies served as a glimpse of Christs sacrifice. The prophecies would not have been made for no purpose such as Christ bailing from the cross. God is out of time I agree, however, The prophecies were made for a purpose and that is to show what the world will eventually be like and because God is perfect could not have been broken.
Jesus knew he was going to die (Mark 8:31), he knew that is what had to happen in the end, but he did not want to die. Jesus knew that everything was possible for his Father and that if He so desired He could have replaced Jesus on the cross, though this is not what God had planned. Like in Mark 14:36, Jesus was praying in Gethsemane, “ ‘Abba, Father,’ he said, ‘everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.’ ” This is just before Jesus is arrested and is pleading to God to “Take this cup from me.” Jesus knew he was going to die and I do not think he really had a choice, the biggest thing for Jesus was submitting to what God had planned for him, if Jesus really wanted differently than that, he could have left the garden. God chose Jesus to die on the cross and it had been prophesied long before hand, in Isaiah 53:4-6 it says, “4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.” He dies on the cross for the rest of the sinners, that is the way God intended it to happen and I do not believe Jesus had the choice to be crucified or not. (1 Corinthians 15:3)
I agree to a certain extent with what you are saying. Yes, Jesus definitely knew that He was going to die. But He is both fully man and fully God at the same time, so I believe that He had a choice. Being human means that there is free will, and the power to choose. If Jesus does not have a choice, as you say, why did he ask God to take the cup away from Him, if it is in God's will? If there ultimately was no decision to be made, why is the point in asking God a seemingly redundant question? Basically Jesus' only choice was submitting to God the Father, which I definitely agree with. But your point is that if He truly did not want to, he could have left the garden of Gethsemane, to avoid his arrest. Although if there was no choice, Jesus still would have died on the cross, regardless of where He was. Galatians 2:20 says "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God. Who loved me and gave himself for me." I believe we can both agree that it was because Jesus loved us, that he died for us on the cross. Now if he had no say in it, is it genuinely love? As a result, our salvation and redemption would be something that Jesus had to do, not something he chose to do for mankind. Taking Jesus' choice out of His death and resurrection, results in a "forced" salvation.
To an extent Jesus had a choice. He gave the decision over to God to let His will be done, in Mark 14: 36 it says “Abba Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” He chose to give the decision over to God, I think that it is within his power to choose not to die, but that he would not. When he came to Earth he had already made the decision to sacrifice himself, from the beginning of his ministry it was his purpose to redeem us, along with spreading His message to the world. It was within His power to choose not to die, but he chose to give the decision up to God to fulfill God’s plan. His death and resurrection is foundational to his ministry and our faith. In Galatians 3: 13 it says, “ Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree,” thus implying that in order to redeem us he had to become a curse, as anyone who is crucified is cursed. That would imply that Jesus did have to die. In Revelation 13 verse eight it refers to Christ as the Lamb of God. Before Jesus died to forgive our sins the Israelites has to make sacrifices to God in atonement for their sins, they would often take a young lamb without blemish and use that as a sacrifice to God, it was symbolic of giving a an innocent life to die for a sinner. Jesus was the Lamb of God given as a sacrifice for our sin, He died as an innocent man for the sinners. He had to die to fulfill the covenant made by God.
I agree with you for the most part. I think that since God is omnipotent he has the power to go back on his promises but he will not because of his love for us, likewise Jesus had the power to disregard Gods will for his life but he did not because he loved the Father and we wanted to fulfill God's will which was evident in the prophecies. Also He let himself be crucified because of his genuine love for all of mankind.
I believe that Jesus did have a choice to go to the cross or not. Jesus was fully man which was why he was able to be tempted by the devil in the wilderness. If he was fully man and able to be tempted then that means he had free will apart from The Father. When Jesus was praying in the garden when he was about to be arrested he told the Father “not as I will but as you will” (Matthew 26:42) meaning that even though he had a choice to do what he wanted he chose to listen to the will of His Father in heaven instead of his own. Jesus said in Matthew 26:53 when Peter cut the ear off of the servant of the high priest “Do you think I cannot call on my Father and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?” But instead he went “like a lamb to the slaughter” to the cross out of his love for mankind and so that His Father's will would be fulfilled. In Galatians 2:20 Paul says that “I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.” As Ravi Zacharias says in Jesus among other Gods “Having the freedom to love when you may choose not to love is to give love legitimate meaning.” Therefore if Jesus did not have a choice as to whether or not he was crucified, then he would have been an insufficient sacrifice to cover our sins because his sacrifice had to be one of love and submission.
I agree with Marcus, it was within Jesus' power to choose not to go the cross, but because of who he is he did not. Without the ability for him to choose he did not die for us because he loves us but rather because he had to.
I think the answer to these questions would be yes and yes, respectively. I believe Jesus had the choice whether to die on the cross or not. I agree with others on the fact that Jesus did not want to die on the cross, but He knew He had to in order to save humanity so he surrendered his own will to God. Mark 8:31 reveals that Jesus knew that he was going to suffer in order to save the world. Mark 14:36 reads “‘Abba, Father,’ he said, ‘everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.’” This is clear evidence that Jesus made the decision to submit to the Father. Regarding the second question, I believe that Jesus had to die in order to fulfill the plan of salvation. There are several prophecies in the Old Testament about the crucifixion of the Messiah. If Jesus was not crucified, the prophecies would not be fulfilled. The ultimate decision Jesus made was to surrender his will to God. The Father had the plan for salvation, but he let Jesus have the choice; He did not force Jesus to die on the cross--He knew that Jesus would make the right decision because He loves God all of mankind.
I believe Jesus chose to die for our sins as it gives it a lot more meaning rather than him being forced to die for us. Furthermore, evidence to support this theory is the verse Matthew 26:36-46 “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” If Jesus knew that he had absolutely no choice in the matter than there would be no need for this verse as Jesus would no that no matter what he said it would not change the fact that he would have to die on the cross. However because this verse exists it give a lot of evidence to support that Jesus did have some choice in the matter. Further evidence to support this is when Jesus was being tempted by Satan in Matthew 4:1-11 If he really did not have a choice in the matter of dying on the cross, then that verse would hold no merit, as Jesus would eventually die on the cross anyways. So Jesus would not even be able to be tempted if he had no choice in the matter of dying on the cross as his will would not be his own. Lastly, if Jesus was not able to choose whether he was going to die on the cross, then it would also change Christianity as we know it today. As Jesus would not have died on the cross for our sins but instead because he had no choice in the matter.
I agree with you on the fact that if he had not died on the cross then Christianity would be completely different. The whole plan of salvation would be changed. If there was no crucifixion then there would be no resurrection. With no crucifixion or resurrection we would have nothing but an inspiring story of an amazing man who lived an ideal life. Hebrews 9:22 says "In, fact , the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." If Jesus hadn't died on the cross we would have no sin offering, no forgiveness, and no gospel. The entire dynamic of Christianity would be completely changed.
I believe that Jesus being both fully God and fully man chose to go tho the cross because he new it was the only way to save humanity In mark 14:32 it says that Jesus asked the father to take the cup from him if it were possible, however Galatians 20:12 says that he gave himself up because of his over for us. overall I would say that Jesus as fully God loved us so completely that he was willing to give up his fully human body to be killed in such a painful way.
Jesus had a choice to a certain extent whether to save us or not. The scriptures studied support both arguments of the issue, and I believe there is a middle ground. Jesus was commanded by the father to sacrifice himself for our sins in Hebrews 5:7-8 but Jesus still being one of the Trinity and not an ordinary man could have disregarded the prophecies and God's will and flee Gethsemane. But he did not, which shows how loving and forgiving he is. Being a man on earth also, he felt the immense pain and suffering to carry the burden of the WHOLE world's sins (John 3:16-17) that he cried out to God to save him. And he says "But for this purpose, I came to this hour."
That sentence I think answers this question. Jesus had a choice to have not died for our sins, BUT he still did it. The only thing he didn't have a decision was on the style in which he died (Crucifixion) for it was set in stone. And now we have new life in us. (Gal 2:20)
Excellent thoughts Priscilla :)
It kind of takes me around in circles when I think of the connection between Jesus and God. Could God's command ultimately be Christ's decision to surrender himself to death?
Thanks. I have no definite answer to that question, but based on some scriptures in the Bible ( Psalm 40:78 serves as a prophecy), I believe Jesus willingly gave himself to be crucified (for God's will) so that everyone become saved from sin. God willed it, but Jesus voluntarily executed it.
I think that Jesus could have ultimately chosen not to die. He wasn't required by anyone. He didn't want to undergo so much suffering as shown in Mark 14:36, Jesus says that not His will but the Father's will be done. But death was the only way to correct sin as shown in Romans 6:23. In that same verse it shows that the gift of God was eternal life. He wasn't required to give that to us but he chose to because of His love (John 3:16). He gave His son to reconcile us with Him. This was the only way because sin could only be covered by the death of someone perfect, which none of us are. So Jesus's death was the only way for sin to be finally dealt with. Ephesians 2:12-13 shows how through the death of Christ we have been brought near to God. And through Jesus' resurrection, we also have life (Romans 5:10). He was the final sacrifice. He chose to die for us because He loved us and wanted us.
Well... Jesus is God. God decided to make us perfect, we screwed it up. But He knew we would do that. So He decided that in order to redeem us, He would do something that showed that He actually cared about us. So in this plan, Jesus had to die for us. Once the plan was set in motion, Jesus didn't have a choice. But then again He did because he could just make existence as we know it cease to exist and start it all over again were we didn't screw up. But then again, it was His plan to have us all screw up so He could do what He did. So in short, yes He did have a choice. But then again He didn't. It all depends where in the timeline you look. But then again, God exists out of time. Which I can't possibly understand. So what even is this question?
Yes Jake, this is complicated and confusing. We may never know the answer until we die... but while we ARE still within time we might use it to learn more about God. :)
I think that Jesus was sent primarily to die on the cross, and I believe that it was predestined. It does say that he was sent to try and "collect the good works", and change the hearts of the people. It even expresses his sorrow at them refusing his ministry when he said "how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing." But the very next section, Matthew 24, shows his prophecy about "The unveiling" or apocalypse. He was obviously grieving the fact that his people had no good works to show, and that they rejected him. But he knew that he would eventually die, and come back during the end times. So to some extent, there was the choice of the people to not reject Jesus and kill him, and Jesus did have the choice to give up. But the people did choose to kill him, and likewise Jesus chose to die. I think when we ask if stuff is predestined, its really hard, maybe even impossible, to figure it out completely. We have a human perspective, not an eternal divine one. They had the choice, but God knew in advance what was chosen. So is that predestination, or just choices that someone knows about in advance, without interference? I don't know, and i don't think anyone could know regardless of how long they lived or how long they studied the scriptures.
Nice insight Max. I agree with you about Jesus having a choice, but not a choice. It makes sense that God knows exactly the circumstances surrounding Jesus' death.
I think that Jesus did have a choice to go to the cross. Prophecies throughout the Bible forsee this event, as it is the only way to save a sinful people. We require a perfect sacrifice and the omniscient God knew it from the very second Adam and Eve ate the fruit. When Jesus came to Earth, he not only knew his goal but also knew that he had to remain perfect so he could fulfill said purpose. He had a series of choices to make that lead him to the cross. He could've given in to the temptations of Satan in the desert, he could've sinned any time through out his life. But he chose not too. The cross was God's way of showing just how much he loved us. Jesus chose to die in one of the most horrific and terrible ways known to man for each and every one of us. It convinces people to become Christians because it shows that God loves them specifically. So Jesus had to die on the cross, whether he wanted to or not. It's like taking medicine. It may be a pain and taste bad, but you need it to get better. Jesus may not have wanted to go to the cross (as seen in Gethsemane) but he had to for us. And his love for us was stronger than his fear of the cross. Jesus could've saved himself the pain, but it would doom us all to hell and Jesus would not do that. So the only choice that fits his character is to die on the cross for us.
I like what Morgan is saying because it makes me see an entire picture of Jesus going through life constantly struggling and just as consistently, triumphing over all temptation.
I also really appreciate what he says about drawing people in to Christianity. Love is one of the main teachings in Christianity, sacrifice comes with it hand in hand. If the offering through Jesus was not one of free will, the suffering he endured would not make an impact on us. Yes, it would be sad. Yes, we would feel guilty that someone else died for us, especially and innocent man; but would we stop to consider or be amazed at the great love of Jesus if he had not willingly chosen to surrender his life?
Thanks Morgan :) Good points!
When Jesus came to earth, I am 98% sure he knew what he was getting into. Because God is all knowing, he saw that it would happen even before he created the world. God knew that Jesus would be faithful when the time came. During Jesus's time on earth, when he was preparing for and predicting his own death, he told his disciples that he WOULD die. Jesus was fully human and fully God, in that way it was completely natural for him not to have a desire to choose the cross, but he did anyways. He didn't have to obey God, he could have run away; but if Jesus had chosen to reject the cross would he have become "fully human" ? The idea that he would stray from God's will is almost impossible to comprehend, how could Jesus disobey God his father who he is one with? For this reason I believe that Jesus could have chosen not to fulfill the promise of God, but by doing so he would have proved God to be false and an unfaithful being. And so, he made the decision, an omniscient and willful decision to complete the work of his Father and take on the cross.
How much do you think Jesus knew when he came down to earth? Being one with God I would assume he knew all the plans, yet he was human and at one time a child that had to be taught and guided.
I think because it is difficult for us to understand the Trinity, it is difficult to answer this question.
I think that Jesus had a choice. But I think that the logic of it is above what our human minds and sense of logic can even comprehend. But for argument's sake I will put my opinion up. So if God is outside of time, as is the widely held belief, then we could say that the decision of God to send his Son to save us was made at the same time as Jesus's decision to follow God's will in the garden of Gethsemane. Of course we have to consider the fact that Jesus was fully human and so in that moment Jesus's decision was within time so perhaps God's decision was separate from Jesus's but then there is the matter of the Trinity. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three but one. I think that while Jesus was fully human he still retained all of his knowledge of God's kingdom and Heaven and Hell. I think that this would also imply that Jesus would remember the the decision that he and the Father and the Spirit had made to send Him as a representative of their being to save God's people. So I believe that Jesus had a choice but he made it when He was not yet human. God can not force one part of His being to do something that another part contradicts. The entire Trinity acts as one whole. Just as a man and woman who are joined in marriage are seen as one in God's eyes then Jesus, The Spirit, and the Father are also seen as 3 separate beings who when joined together create an entire being. But the complexity of this model is that usually when three things join together to create one thing you would generally assume that those pieces were not whole on their own. But this is wrong. Each part of the Trinity without the other is a whole being in it's self just as a woman without a husband is still a woman. But when joined together they become one without losing or gaining any part of themselves just as when two people come together they do not gain their other 'half'. So this would mean that the Three act as One but at the same time they each individually complete their own will. Each part being wholly perfect and blameless makes the best decision on their own but because their counterparts are also wholly and blameless then all of the individual decisions are the same as each other. No part of the Trinity is more perfect then the other. They are all equally wise, thoughtful, blameless, and pure. So we can assume that whatever God's decision was, that was also Jesus's decision. Jesus had a choice but He didn't make it while on Earth because this would have resulted in a tainted human decision. He made it while He was still in Heaven. Maybe all of Jesus's decisions that He seemed to make while on Earth were actually made while He was in Heaven because there He was outside of time. I have no idea if this is Biblically correct so feel free to contradict me and argue but it's definitely food for thought.
*the second time I say 'wholly' I meant to right 'holy' :)
*wow typing is hard not 'right' it should have been 'write' haha
Essentially what I was trying to say... but way better than I could've said it. So yes, I would definitely agree. The whole thing about time and God existing out of it while we are stuck in it, really messes with the mind. At least it does mine...
Yep, this makes loads of sense, it lines up with what i think, and it adds some.
I really like how you brought in the trinity, and how you explain it. Just wondering, what do you mean when you say that "this would have resulted in a tainted human decision."?
It was just a fleeting thought I had. What if, because on Earth Jesus was fully human and because He faced temptation I thought maybe he had the full potential to sin, so maybe knowing that He would make the wrong decision if he left it to his human self, maybe he made all of his decisions while in Heaven so that He wouldn't make any decisions while on Earth. But I have no idea if that's right. It was just a little conspiracy type thought that I had. :) Not sure if I believe it or not :)
Did Jesus have to go to the cross? Did Jesus have no choice? Or Jesus didn't need to go for it but, he went to? My opinion is Jesus just followed God's will. God gave us Jesus in this world, and He loved us and saved us and told us why we should trust in the Trinity God. Jesus is God, and God is Jesus. God sent Jesus to us in the plan, and Jesus followed His plan and obeyed. Did we go to Jesus by choosing the way of the cross by himself? Well ... I do not think so. As I said before, Jesus came to this world for God's purpose and purpose. Among them, Jesus obeys and follows God's will.
It is a question that we should have thought about once if we were a Christian. If we now understand why Jesus chose to be crucified and bleed for us, would we not live a life of praising, obeying, and always thanking Him for His pain and love?
I think this is a hot question. Jesus was human for he had to be human to justify us and the jews. So if Jesus is like us he could have chosen to sin for he had to be able to do that for him to glorify us. So Jesus did have a choice to reject because if he did not than how could we be glorified through him if he is not like us, he BECAME cursed, it's not that he was already cursed I am getting this verse from Galatians 3:13. To further emphasize my point he BECAME cursed and if you had to become cursed than you would have to be not cursed beforehand. I want to talk about what is a prophecies my understanding of prophecies come from reading books. A good example of this would be Macbeth with the witches prophecies about how Macbeth will be king but Banquo's sons will be king. Macbeth tries to stop it which in turns ends up making the prophecies true. So it is like the prophecy new what Macbeth would do and that is try and stop the prophecy. So it’s like they are set in stone and whatever you do will fulfill the prophecy. Macbeth had free will but the whatever he chose the prophecy would have been fulfilled anyways. If you believe that a prophecy can not be fulfilled that prophecies lose all meaning so if your willing to think they can not be fulfilled than there is no more you can understand. So I think the question should not be can Jesus defy the prophecy instead it should be if Jesus did not get crucified could he still fulfill the prophecy. No because when Jesus asked his Father show me another way God did not, and because the bible makes the parallel that jesus is the son when God is the father what father would not give his son another way if he knew there was another way. But it is much more likely for a father to tell his son what he has to do. I may be just understanding in a worldly view of a father and son but I think it's just starting to paint a picture. Jesus was rich but he became poor so that we may become rich and for someone to do that they have to be graces and someone who is graceous would give up themselves up to benefit the other. Jesus was equal to God but he chose to become nothing to be made in human likeness and he humbled himself for it. Philippians 2 Humans are meant for worship are meant to trust in the Lord so that is what jesus did he trusted his father that he would make the right choice. So I wonder if Jesus did not fully understand just as humans do not fully understand the Lord jesus did ask God if there was another way implying that he did not know the full plan. A human who is humbled listens to there father. The Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. John 5:19 That must mean Jesus needs the father and that is why he trusts him and makes Jesus perfect but to trust someone you must have the ability to not trust someone. It is like to be humble you must also have the option to be aggaraont. To obey God you must also have the option to disobey God. So from my understanding of Jesus and who he is he would choose to get crucified and God understanding of Jesus which is far greater than ours he knows what Jesus would do. Just as the more you study Macbeth you know he would choose to try and kill Banquo and his son because that was who he was.
I really like your explanation, it does make sense. You have a good point about the prophecies, it is a really good idea to look at that. About Jesus in the Garden, I thought He would have already know what had to be done, because it is mentioned in the OT, and so He was asking because He didn't want to suffer and so was looking for any other possible explanation. You have an interesting and good point on that though, about how He might not have known what was going on. This question is complicated!
i agree with Kenneth he is a smart man.
I think at first Jesus was battling inside on whether or not he wanted to die for us. In Mark 14 there is a section where Jesus is praying that he won’t have to die, but then after he surrendered what would happen to him to God’s will. I think he knew he was going to die, and I also think that Jesus had to die but he had the choice whether he would do it out of love or obligation. Also I think when he chose to go through with dying for all our sins, he chose to do it out of love and a want to save us and not just because he was required to.
So I think that Jesus had a choice, for the simple reason of free will. Jesus was both fully man and God, being man he had the choice to not die the death. But if he choose not to, he would betray His God status and would no longer the son of God. the the real question is why would God send someone that would betray their purpose? If God knows the future, past, and present He would know if Jesus would or would not choose His will or not.
Ultimately God is God, and he is sovereign, he knows all and understands all. I think that Jesus had a decision to die or not, but I believe that decision was made outside of time. While Jesus did have a choice, he would not have changed it during his human life for he decided and knew what the entirety of humanity would do before the foundations of the universe were layed and he knew what his life would look like on earth, and what his death would look like. He is God. That said, Jesus was also fully human and we see him struggle throughout his life, EG. the garden of Gethsemane. Jesus knew his decision, and he struggled with it. So I think that Jesus did have a choice, but it was not made in the time we think it would have been made, he himself predestined what was going to happen by choosing his own purpose on earth.
I agree with Caleb. I think that Jesus had the same will as God the Father did. Jesus did struggle and He did know the real weight of His decision. But He also knew that it was the right decision despite the hardship it brought. And He prevailed, just as He knew He would.
I believe Jesus did have a choice, because he knew he was going to die, so he had a choice to change the way it goes and not die, in John 2: Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” this tells us that he knew he will raise again in three days after the crucifixion. And this is all part of God's plan, Jesus died on the cross God loves us so much, that he can put his own son on the cross, and paid all our sins at once by it. "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous" (Romans 5:19). Adam was made perfect, but because of his disobedience, he is sinned. And Jesus was made perfect too, but he had never sinned, so he can be the sacrifice for our sins. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
(2 Corinthians 5:21). So Jesus's death is all part of God's plan, he had a choice to not go and die on the cross, but he had to.
I agree with your last sentence Henry when you say that Jesus' death was part of God's plan, so I think you might be contradicting yourself when you say Jesus had a choice, but he had to
I don’t think Jesus had a choice, because he knew he was going to die. In Mark 11:1-12 (NIV) Jesus spoke of a parable about the tenants, and in the parable the tenants were killing the owners messengers, but in the NIV version it says the owner was running out of people and eventually had to send his son, this might be implying that the vineyard owner is God and the son was Jesus.
I think he has a choose because if he is the god, he should have the ability to predict the future. Let's assume he has the ability to predict the future, he should know that he is going to die on the cross. In the bible, his reason to die on the cross is because that he would take the sin of all the human beings even though they do not and will not believe him. With the ability of god, if he wanted, he doesn't has to go to the cross and die there, he can just use his power and destroy everyone instead of letting them to kill him
I believe that Jesus did not have to but chose to die for us. I also believe that when Jesus came to earth, he did not know his prophecy. But he later realized it and fulfilled it. He also had no other choice but to fulfill his prophecy. But he did not look forward to it. (John 12:27) The bible verse shows that he was terrified of the choice but he still did it. No one else will accept death for other people like he did.
I believe Jesus had a choice to go to the cross but made the decision to die for us to forgive our sins in john 10: 17-18 it backs up my statement by saying 17 “The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again. 18 No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.” without choice, then how could it be a act of love? For love is a choice. We are made in God's image and we choose good or evil all the time. God doesn't force us to do good so why would he force himself?
I think that Jesus was great. The reason why he was crucified in the Bible is "For he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over." (Matthew 27:18). The purpose of his death is to prove that God can save people. The sinless Saviour died to redeem more sinful people. Because of the greatness of Jesus, he chose to be crucified.
I think that Jesus did have a choice to die on the cross, but he knew that his death would be the only way to save us from our sins. Jesus was not looking forward to his death, "Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour" (John 12:27). He was not looking forward to it but he was willing to do it because it was what humanity needed. "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father" (John 10:15-17-18). Jesus was commanded by God to lay down his life but no one actually forced him to obey the command, not even God. Jesus could have chosen to let us humans remain in our sin, but he loved us too much to do so. "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation" (Romans 5:8-11).